Band announcements

[moon]

Dec 11, 2016 23:37:05 GMT -5 thelizard said:

Dec 10, 2016 7:21:48 GMT -5 smosey wales said:

Trust me, you're not missing anything.  Moe., frankly, sucks. 

They were at AllGood almost every year, I listened to them play several times.  Stayed for the whole thing more than once.  It was pretty awful.

I'm kind of stunned there are people that like them.  But, also, I think a lot of people grew up in really traumatic environments with terribly dysfunctional families, and it's great that they've managed to break that cycle, so I'm really glad that they've found something to enjoy.

They're just not for me.

This made me LOL.

[moon]

Dec 10, 2016 7:21:48 GMT -5 smosey wales said:

well, looking at the list so far, this old dog needs to learn new tricks. I've heard of almost all of them, heard songs by most of them, but never really listened much to many of them, particularly moe.

Need to know the moe.

But nothing makes me say 'no, I'd rather not."

I consider myself to have a very open musical taste. I like it all, even terrible 90's country music (Patty Loveless), Britney Spears (Til The World Ends is my JAM), Kanye West (Through the Wire is genius), or a crackling recording of Nat King Cole or Glenn Miller and his band. Y'all have already heard me praise my punk rock roots. 90% of that music is garbage, but it makes my heart happy. 

I will also GO see all kinds of live music, budget and schedule allowing. I go to our shitty county fair and see every awful headliner (except for the country performers bc the local fan base are racist sexist scum and no one should subject themselves to that torture), battle of the bands, street fair etc. I will especially go to shows that my friends are going to bc maybe I will end up liking them in the end (as happened with Phish, Twiddle, Keller, etc...).

But I will never, ever, EVER like Moe or see them on purpose. They make my ears bleed. 

Moe=Meh

rant/over

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I can see liking Ween more than MMJ last year if they're your thing, or Phish, or TTB, or even Umphrey's or something like Hard Working Americans. But I just don't know how you could put JRAD as your top act of the fest over something that's so much more original. And I liked them a lot, not hating on them at all, but I just need something a little more unpredictable than what they can offer to get to that next level.

[tinishack]

[tinishack]

For me it was a toss up between JRAD & MMJ as to which was my favourite set/act this year, but that doesn't matter to anyone else.
I figure, every act was somebody's favourite.
With age I have mellowed and realized that my opinions, are just my opinions, nothing more.
I think of music the same way as I now judge wine/beer etc - if you like it, it's good, enjoy it.

[TOO $]

Dec 12, 2016 9:07:33 GMT -5 moon said:

Dec 10, 2016 7:21:48 GMT -5 smosey wales said:

well, looking at the list so far, this old dog needs to learn new tricks. I've heard of almost all of them, heard songs by most of them, but never really listened much to many of them, particularly moe.

Need to know the moe.

But nothing makes me say 'no, I'd rather not."

I consider myself to have a very open musical taste. I like it all, even terrible 90's country music (Patty Loveless), Britney Spears (Til The World Ends is my JAM), Kanye West (Through the Wire is genius), or a crackling recording of Nat King Cole or Glenn Miller and his band. Y'all have already heard me praise my punk rock roots. 90% of that music is garbage, but it makes my heart happy. 

I will also GO see all kinds of live music, budget and schedule allowing. I go to our shitty county fair and see every awful headliner (except for the country performers bc the local fan base are racist sexist scum and no one should subject themselves to that torture), battle of the bands, street fair etc. I will especially go to shows that my friends are going to bc maybe I will end up liking them in the end (as happened with Phish, Twiddle, Keller, etc...).

But I will never, ever, EVER like Moe or see them on purpose. They make my ears bleed. 

Moe=Meh

rant/over

Interesting, that is the same effect that Ween had on me...the bloody ears part that is...

I think moe. is a good fit for Lockn' and I look forward to seeing them...here is some moe. for your ear holes...

[wizard1]

Dec 12, 2016 9:22:32 GMT -5 @stoutmonster said:

I can see liking Ween more than MMJ last year if they're your thing, or Phish, or TTB, or even Umphrey's or something like Hard Working Americans. But I just don't know how you could put JRAD as your top act of the fest over something that's so much more original. And I liked them a lot, not hating on them at all, but I just need something a little more unpredictable than what they can offer to get to that next level.

Most of the JRAD people have been playing together forever, they put together improv which is completely unique and original.  I loved the MMJ set, but I'm not going to go re-listen to it.  I have relistened to JRAD's friday night set a ton of times already. 

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moe. is really solid. Not my favorite band in the world or anything, but I'm not sure how anyone could hate that them that much lol.

[cherryghost]

Dec 12, 2016 10:08:26 GMT -5 @stoutmonster said:

moe. is really solid. Not my favorite band in the world or anything, but I'm not sure how anyone could hate that them that much lol.

Whether or not you like moe. may have to do with your upbringing. Still waiting for clarification.

[wizard1]

Moe. is pretty hit or miss for me. But i basically group them with SCI and Panic as bands i'm ok seeing but don't really get excited over. They are basically the same level as Mule and UM except I really really like Mule and UM compared to just sort of a passing interest in the other three.

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Early results are in. The Avetts and moe. are leading out of the gates for the 2017 WTW Haterade Award (Wilco Twiddle Ween Annual Haterate Award)!

I have never understood the moe. dislike, but it goes back. Back when they were at the peak of their powers in the early 2000s, I think they brought in a number of fans from circles like O.A.R, Dispatch, and Guster into the fringes of the jam scene. Always thought that was an issue to some and somehow seen as a bad sign, and maybe is reflective of their music having a slightly more poppy character to some of it (Captain America and such). I've never been over the moon for them, but have always respected their musicianship and do think they are a very good live band. They have evolved over time, but I don't think they went too far aflung from their genre and it is captive of what was happening in the Northeast when they were building up. Went to moe.down prior to L'14 (consecutive weekends)...where the joke is "what time is moe. playing?" because they are always playing. Had been to the festival before, but really took note in 2014 that being totally immersed made me respect them more and not less after hearing them play a wide spectrum of music and playing the same song in a number of different ways. If you haven't seen them live, hope you give their Lockn' set a try. They can take improvisational jams to some fun places. I have listened to the audio, but would be interested in hearing someone that saw their Dark Side set at Peach in 2016 as well? 

Had a fair amount of sampling of the early Avetts. I thought the Avetts made pretty good music and were great to see live when they got off the ground. Saw them at places like the Carrboro Arts Center etc. Enjoyed them okay back then, and haven't seen them live for a while, but the desire to get mainstream is clear and the new music is...not good imho. A friend who saw them at Mountain Jam in 2014 did not have glowing reviews. Listened to three shows over the weekend from 2016 to get a sense of what they are doing....three totally different shows musically (Nashville, a Folk Festival, and a Amphitheater). I bet they bring a higher energy show. 
Love, love, love the Lockn' lineup this year, and will approach the Avetts with an open mind even though they don't have me excited for their set. The rest of the festival is so stacked to me, I'll survive and hope they surprise.  

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Pretty sure I saw moe. open for Rusted Root one time at Wolftrap lol.

[smosey wales]

The Avetts are not bad. Their music won't bother anyone. They just aren't "all that."

Anyway, when you look at the top-tier list of artists at the big festivals like 'roo and ACL, there is a strange mix there.

[TOO $]

Dec 12, 2016 11:58:59 GMT -5 @stoutmonster said:

Pretty sure I saw moe. open for Rusted Root one time at Wolftrap lol.

Led Zeppelin opened for Iron butterfly once and IB refused to play their set after hearing Zep. Jimi Hendrix opened for the Monkees once and was booed off of the stage. Point being most bands start out opening for somebody I guess.

[southernman]

Steve Miller Band opened for Miles Davis...

[worf rat]

I like everything now.

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Dec 12, 2016 12:18:40 GMT -5 TOO $ said:

Dec 12, 2016 11:58:59 GMT -5 @stoutmonster said:

Pretty sure I saw moe. open for Rusted Root one time at Wolftrap lol.

Led Zeppelin opened for Iron butterfly once and IB refused to play their set after hearing Zep. Jimi Hendrix opened for the Monkees once and was booed off of the stage. Point being most bands start out opening for somebody I guess.

Oh I agree, wasn't joking on them for that as much as just laughing at the fact that I went to a Rusted Root show (to see moe). And blueindian's post about them made me think of it.

[unclemilty]

I guess the comments that make the moe.st sense to me are "I like everything now", and "drink beer and wine (something like that) and enjoy it".

I think Moe. and UM are similar bands in that they are very talented musicians. Somehow, to me, UM pushes it too much although they were good last year. They're just too much of...something, can't put my finger on it.

With that said, I like Moe.!! (and Larry and Curly and Shemp)

[moon]

Dec 12, 2016 14:04:06 GMT -5 unclemilty said:

 Somehow, to me, UM pushes it too much although they were good last year. They're just too much of...something, can't put my finger on it.

I feel the same way, it's a certain way they play stylistically. Nick is over the moon about them and I just can't get on board unless it's one of their good mashups or they get really heavy... It's not that either Meh or UM are bad musicians or unworthy of having fans, I just have no skin in their game. They do nothing for me.  Except UM I can watch because they ham it up some times and Meh just drives me batty. 

[unclemilty]

Dec 12, 2016 14:42:01 GMT -5 moon said:

Dec 12, 2016 14:04:06 GMT -5 unclemilty said:

 Somehow, to me, UM pushes it too much although they were good last year. They're just too much of...something, can't put my finger on it.

  Except UM I can watch because they ham it up some times and Meh just drives me batty. 

HA!  Hopefully you're good and medicated when Moe. plays.  I have a feeling they're going to play a lot.

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My friend likes to say "Was it a Proggy UM show or a Jammy UM show?" I enjoy them nonetheless (as established above, I like everything). But maybe the sound that turns people on or off is that Prog Rock influence? It is quite pronounced. 

[wizard1]

Dec 12, 2016 15:10:45 GMT -5 @blueindian said:

My friend likes to say "Was it a Proggy UM show or a Jammy UM show?" I enjoy them nonetheless (as established above, I like everything). But maybe the sound that turns people on or off is that Prog Rock influence? It is quite pronounced. 

That is exactly what it is I think, my friends hate UM for that reason - I love it though.

[smosey wales]

My interest in moe. was piqued by their "The Loser" on Dear Jerry, which I thought was pretty good. So I remain cautiously optimistic.

Indeed, a variety of strong opinions often indicates there is something to them.

But I can do without anyone playing prog rock, especially ones too young to know its genesis, so if UM does that, it's two strikes and hit the showers. Don't want to see any laptop rock either and that goes for the Williams kid.

[wizard1]

Dec 12, 2016 15:34:28 GMT -5 smosey wales said:

My interest in moe. was piqued by their "The Loser" on Dear Jerry, which I thought was pretty good. So I remain cautiously optimistic.

Indeed, a variety of strong opinions often indicates there is something to them.

But I can do without anyone playing prog rock, especially ones too young to know its genesis, so if UM does that, it's two strikes and hit the showers. Don't want to see any laptop rock either and that goes for the Williams kid.

"it's two strikes and hit the showers" - is that before or after you tell them to get off your lawn?

[moon]

Dec 12, 2016 15:10:45 GMT -5 @blueindian said:

My friend likes to say "Was it a Proggy UM show or a Jammy UM show?" I enjoy them nonetheless (as established above, I like everything). But maybe the sound that turns people on or off is that Prog Rock influence? It is quite pronounced. 

 Oh yes, you just put words to my feelings! But opposite... I don't like it when UM gets <too> jammy... I don't think they're well developed in that area. 

But proggy... anything prog for this chick.