What's Missing At This Point?

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As I look at the line-up we have so far, I am wondering what gaps still need to be filled. I don't mean which specific bands do I still hope to see, but what level/caliber of band are still needed to fill the gaps and make it a well-rounded line-up.

Looking at what we have so far, it feels like the undercard slots are well-represented (aside from the Rockn' to Lockn' winners which I'm sure will be announced closer to the festival).

It seems like there still need to be more middle of the day/early evening bands (like Tedeschi Trucks) added.

And we still need 1 more, if not 2 more headliners. We are definitely missing that classic-rock-yet-still-relevant artist that we had the previous years (Petty, Plant). Santana would fill that role nicely.

We still need one strong late night act, and possibly more if they continue with the forest stage.

Or is that Garcia's Forest thing supposed to fill that role? Because yeah, no thanks. I don't go to festivals to check out previously recorded music, however great it may be.

Most importantly, we need at least a couple of those Lockn' exclusive one-time-only acts that make the festival what it is.

[The Other One]

Seems as good a place as any for this...oh and by the way this is a mock schedule that I made up with no official information whatsoever so take it at face value.

[Deleted]

Looks pretty good. The only nitpicks I have are:

1. Phish is playing Friday
2. It wouldn't make sense to have Hard Working Americans and CRB back-to-back. There would have to be a band in between them, since they would already have Neal set up on one stage.
3. I think they should still do one Rockn' winner per day. I don't know how tolerant the masses would be with sitting through two mostly unknown bands in one day.

Other than that, looks great. I'd happily attend what you are presenting there.

[suebhunny]

I think Twiddle will end up as one of the late night acts...despite the fact that I'll have to stay up super late to see them. Because...yes...I still love Twiddle.

[chinatownshuffle]

I think 6:30 is way too late for HWA, they'll probably be earlier in the day. With TTB getting bigger each year I think they'll slide into a 6:30 or later slot, two hours of circles around the sun is long. Would love to See Umphreys in another late set but they're just as fine on the main stage. I think (hope) we're missing somewhere between 2-6 prime time big name acts. Looking at years past you had about 14 total sets of 'big' acts (bands on the 'bigness' level of Cheese, Panic, Phil, etc.). So far this year you have about 7 of those acts (4 phish, 2 Ween, MMJ). 9 if you count TTB and UM. Even if we assume longer sets for phish etc (or heaven forbid a set break) you still have room for at least 3 more big artists. I think the undercard is pretty much spoken for. I also think sadly live music on the woods stage is being replaced by Garcias.

[The Other One]

I literally spent about two minutes doing this so I didn't get too hung up on the details such as slot lengths and who plays after whom. Just trying to get the 10,000 foot view of what slots may still be open. I will read some of the suggestions today and do one revision tonight before they make the next round of announcements. I think that Garcia's is going to be after the Woods shows so I am not going to use any time slots for this.

[mccjeff]

Just for reference purposes here is how last year was supposed to shake out.



So that is 9 acts for Thurs (?), 9 for Fri, 8 for Sat and 8 for Sun not counting BRB Late, BRB Early or Woods.

[chinatownshuffle]

Mar 31, 2016 11:54:22 GMT -5 mccjeff said:

Just for reference purposes here is how last year was supposed to shake out.



So that is 9 acts for Thurs (?), 9 for Fri, 8 for Sat and 8 for Sun not counting BRB Late, BRB Early or Woods.

so like I said, about 14 'big' acts.  2016 we have between 7-9 of those.  Unless Shapiro is trying to sell us set breaks and bands like Twiddle and Galactic (nothing against those bands) as big acts I think there is room at the top for more.  

[mccjeff]

Mar 31, 2016 11:09:05 GMT -5 chinatownshuffle said:

I think 6:30 is way too late for HWA, they'll probably be earlier in the day. With TTB getting bigger each year I think they'll slide into a 6:30 or later slot, two hours of circles around the sun is long. Would love to See Umphreys in another late set but they're just as fine on the main stage. I think (hope) we're missing somewhere between 2-6 prime time big name acts. Looking at years past you had about 14 total sets of 'big' acts (bands on the 'bigness' level of Cheese, Panic, Phil, etc.). So far this year you have about 7 of those acts (4 phish, 2 Ween, MMJ). 9 if you count TTB and UM. Even if we assume longer sets for phish etc (or heaven forbid a set break) you still have room for at least 3 more big artists. I think the undercard is pretty much spoken for. I also think sadly live music on the woods stage is being replaced by Garcias.

So what are your 14 and your 7-9?

2015
Thur: Doobie Incident, Billy, SCI
Fri: MD&E, JA, Phil, SCI
Sat: Phil, WSP, Plant, TTB
Sun: Plant, WSP, Mule

2016
Phish 4x, Ween 2x, MMJ, TTB, Umphrey's (I might toss CRB and Circles in there too)

[mccjeff]

Mar 31, 2016 10:00:01 GMT -5 The Other One said:

Seems as good a place as any for this...oh and by the way this is a mock schedule that I made up with no official information whatsoever so take it at face value.

Not trying to nitpick but it is Vulf not Vilf. And Doobie Decible System needs a spot.

[chinatownshuffle]

Mar 31, 2016 12:30:17 GMT -5 mccjeff said:

Mar 31, 2016 11:09:05 GMT -5 chinatownshuffle said:

I think 6:30 is way too late for HWA, they'll probably be earlier in the day. With TTB getting bigger each year I think they'll slide into a 6:30 or later slot, two hours of circles around the sun is long. Would love to See Umphreys in another late set but they're just as fine on the main stage. I think (hope) we're missing somewhere between 2-6 prime time big name acts. Looking at years past you had about 14 total sets of 'big' acts (bands on the 'bigness' level of Cheese, Panic, Phil, etc.). So far this year you have about 7 of those acts (4 phish, 2 Ween, MMJ). 9 if you count TTB and UM. Even if we assume longer sets for phish etc (or heaven forbid a set break) you still have room for at least 3 more big artists. I think the undercard is pretty much spoken for. I also think sadly live music on the woods stage is being replaced by Garcias.

So what are your 14 and your 7-9?

2015
Thur: Doobie Incident, Billy, SCI
Fri: MD&E, JA, Phil, SCI
Sat: Phil, WSP, Plant, TTB
Sun: Plant, WSP, Mule

2016
Phish 4x, Ween 2x, MMJ, TTB, Umphrey's (I might toss CRB and Circles in there too)

I'm calling pretty much anything post 6PM part of "the 14".  I agree with your 2016 list including circles but I think CRB takes the dinner slot of TTB.  thats still at least 2-4 post 6PM bands to be named.  

 

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Phish = Friday & Sunday
Ween = Thursday & Friday
Lettuce = Thursday
Vulpeck = Thursday
Charles Bradley = Friday
Galactic = Saturday
JRAD = Friday & Saturday

Not counting the order of a few things, I think those are the only things that are really off from that schedule as far as things we definitely know based on articles/their tourdates and then a couple things that I'm pretty sure about just based on what makes sense.

[The Other One]

Latest revision in my first post.

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Mar 31, 2016 15:22:51 GMT -5 The Other One said:

Latest revision in my first post.

Still need to switch Galactic and Lettuce, but other than that I think you're pretty pretty damn close now. Thanks for putting that together!

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Which, to me, leaves enough room for at least 2 more acts that are on the level of say, Mule. And 1 more on the level of say, P&F or Panic.

Hope that's not just wishful thinking!

[mccjeff]

Great job TOO!

Yeah, I think Lettuce gets the other latenight.

If so, I would drop Galactic back a time slot opening up another "headliner" set.

Looking at last year I think there are a couple more Thursday sets to move the likes of Turkuaz into and another Friday and Saturday set starting at 1pm for the Rockn to Lockn bands. I don't think there was a 2 hour gap between the morning sets and the start of the main stage sets.

I could see Dobbie Decible doing an all Dead set in the other morning slot.

[Deleted]

Btw I'm just going off of what's listed on these bands' websites for most of what I'm saying. It's possible someone like a Galactic plays on a different night than they currently have listed, but usually if they have one specific date listed then that's the day they end up playing. Otherwise if they either don't know yet or just don't want to reveal it they'll list all 4 days of the fest as playing it on their site.

[Deleted]

Excellent! Looks like I can sleep til 3 and not miss a thing.

[The Other One]

Final revision of the day, see my first post.

[The Other One]

Mar 31, 2016 18:12:38 GMT -5 criticalbill said:

Excellent! Looks like I can sleep til 3 and not miss a thing.

Grateful Grass and Grateful Gospel are not to be missed. Still kicking myself for missing Grateful Gospel last year. This year no matter how late I am up the night before I am going to drag myself to the morning shows.

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Apr 1, 2016 7:24:51 GMT -5 The Other One said:

Mar 31, 2016 18:12:38 GMT -5 criticalbill said:

Excellent! Looks like I can sleep til 3 and not miss a thing.

Grateful Grass and Grateful Gospel are not to be missed. Still kicking myself for missing Grateful Gospel last year. This year no matter how late I am up the night before I am going to drag myself to the morning shows.

Agree.  And I'll definitely be in there whenever Charles Bradley plays if he's that early.  Sames goes for Turkuaz on Thursday assuming I can get through the line and set up by then.

[wizard1]

After looking at that mock schedule, this lineup is better than I thought.  The sunday and thursday ending 4 band runs are great, friday still has room for some awesome additions and saturday is wide open.  I hope your predictions are accurate

[audiblenectar]

Question for prior attendees: Are times listed with the festival schedule - even if not presented until arrival? I have noticed that the prior years' lineups that have been posted haven't listed set times - is this included with the customary fest booklet given at the gate, or known prior to then? Or is it just an order of bands, assuming that all the action is on the main show field and there's no where else music is happening when the main show field has music?

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Apr 1, 2016 11:46:23 GMT -5 audiblenectar said:

Question for prior attendees: Are times listed with the festival schedule - even if not presented until arrival? I have noticed that the prior years' lineups that have been posted haven't listed set times - is this included with the customary fest booklet given at the gate, or known prior to then? Or is it just an order of bands, assuming that all the action is on the main show field and there's no where else music is happening when the main show field has music?

The times are definitely specified by the time the festival starts, I want to say last year the exact times were released maybe like a week beforehand?  But it definitely comes out later than the general daily order/schedule.  There is also a Lock'n app that you can download on your phone that shows all the set times for when you're at the fest.

[suebhunny]

They'll give you times much closer to the festival start. They usually don't hand out a schedule, but times will be included in the schedule on the Lockn' smartphone app.